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correspondent mike liscoff, thank you for joining me tonight. tomorrow a last world exclusive. new york city mayor bloomberg will be my guest. the rachel maddow show is up next. >> thanks to you at home for staying with us for the next hour. we should have known this was going to happen at pay-go.ç we should have known at pay-go. 2005, four republican senators decided to try to bring back something called pay-go. basically a rule that says at that approximate if the government spending something, it has to compensate for that somewhere else in the government. it's called the pay-go rule, which is short for pay as you go. that's what we had during the clinton administration, and in march 2005 four republican senators proposed bringing back na rule for washington. bring back pay-go. even though four republican senators including john mccain had supported legislation to do that in the past, when president obama said, okay, come let us reason together. i will do this thing that you
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want, those same republicans decided that they did not want pay-go anymore. we should have known. we should have known at pay-go. we should have realized that was an aberration. that was a signpost. approximate we should have known as bipartisan deficit commission. the idea of a blue ribbon pate to bring down the deficit. that was an idea they signed on for. seven republican senators co-sponsored legislation to establish that sort of commission last year, and then when president obama said, again, come, let us reason together, i like this idea of yours, let's go forward with this, those same seven republicans decided they were against it. >> this law failed by seven votes. when seven republicans who had co-sponsored the bill, had
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co-sponsored the idea suddenly walked away from their own proposal after i endorsed it. so they make a proposal and sign onto the bill. i say, great, good idea.ç i turn around, and they're gone. what happened? >> that was from february of last year. more than a year ago. and since then it has become clear that that was not a one-off. those were not one-off instances, little outbreaks from hypocrisy. it's not abandoning what they believe for the hope of hurting president obama. since then it's not clear it's not a coincidence every time it happens. this is a full-blown pattern. if the obama administration is a movie, this has its own theme music. pay-go and republicans were for it and so is obama, so now the
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republicans are against it. same thing on cap and tlrade. democrats wanted to ban certain levels of pollution. the republicans said we have to use the market. let's cap that pollution and let businesses and utilities trade their ability to powe late. cap and trade was the republican idea. they were for it, and then so was president obama so now republicans are against it. same thing on relt reform. democrats want to require businesses cover all employees. republicans say no, no, no. we like bumper stickers about individual responsibility, so their counterproposal is businesses would not be required to cover all the employees, but individuals, individual responsibility, individuals would be required to get insurance. the individual mandate. republicans were for it, then was so was president obama, so
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now republicans are against it. you know, it is fine ifç you don't care about policy. it's fine. there's a lot of things worth caring about in the world. maybe you don't think policy is worth caring it. if you do not care about policy, don't get involved in it. don't have it be your job to vote on policy if you are perfectly comfortable taking positions opposed to your previous positions without understanding the difference on policy. don't have it be your job to vote on policy if you're only standard to decide whether or not a policy is good or bad is who the president is at the time snb is asking you. what george w. bush proposed trying internationalerrorism suspects in u.s. federal courts, the outcry from congressional republicans at the time sounded like this. when barack obama proposed doing exactly the same thing, it sounded somewhat more loud. >> this is really dangerous nonsense. we have a way to do it, john.
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interrogate them, detain them, and try them in military commissions offshore. >> did that idea just occur to you? republicans were for terrorism trials in the united states when george w. bush was president. then so was president obama, so now republicans are against it. under george w. bush the united states senate voted to raise the debt ceiling seven separate times, and each time it enjoyed all sorts of republican support. in 2002, in 2003, and in 2004 again 350 reps said let's raise the debt ceiling. in 2007, 26 republicans and in 2008 there were two votes to raise the debt ceiling supported by 34 leps the first time and 33 republicans the second time during the bush administration. as you might expect in the bush administration, raising the debt kehling was a yearly occurrence, right? look at these numbers. this is how republicans voted on
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it. it was no problem. remember, for context here, when president bush came into office, there was no deficit, right? the nation was running a budget surplus of $127 billion. by the time george w. bush left office we had a projected budget deficit of $1.2 trillion. over that time every time the debt ceiling came up for a vote, these were the votes of senate republicans to raise that debt ceiling. okay? since president obama has been in office, here are the republican votes to raise the debt ceiling. yeah. what's the difference between raising the debt ceiling over there and raising the debt ceiling over there? what's the difference between these two totally different patterns of republican behavior? you tell me. what's the difference. what could it possibly be? now as washington staggers and jags towards the real deadline
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by which we might default on our debt and incidentally cause a global financial catastrophe, republicans are now storming out of talks to prevent that catastrophe, storming out on principle, refusing to continue to discuss the prospect of avoiding catastrophe because something so ovenlsive to their deeply held principles was suggested by democrats. the grave offense is they have said they would like to please cut taxpayer subsidies for the biggest oil companies until the world, the most profitable companies the world has ever known should no longer get subsidies from the american taxpayers. democrats have said that, and that is something that republicans cannot abide. at least they can't abide it now. >> i don't think that the big oil companies need to have the oil dpreegs allowances. >> would you be in favor of seeing some of theseç subsidies -- >> it's certainly something we ought to look at.
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>> that was a few months ago. republicans were kind of okay with getting rid of the oil subsidies. now the idea is so morally offensive to them that not only are republicans saying no to it, they're not willing to say no. they're getting up and storming out of the room and refusing to participate in discussions at all because of their horror that a policy like that might even be discussed in that room. they can't sit there and say no. they have to storm out of the room and denounce the existence of the room. it is okay if you do not care about policy. it is okay if all you care about is maying president obama and the democrats look bad. that is okay. that is your right, but then your job should probably be public relations specialist and not lawmaker. your job should be mud pie maker. your job should be graffiti artist who drives mean-looking muss tashgs on obama re-election posters. you shouldn't be in charge of policy if you don't care about policy. if the only bay to predict what stance you'll have is how somebody else is going to vote
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on it. in order to try to get this debt ceiling vote, democrats have proposed to republicans a tax cut. surely you guys can get on with that, right? a payroll fax holiday, a business tax cut, and republicans have decided they're against that. the republicans are against a business tax cut. john boehner saying that a business tax cut right now won't, quote, overcome the uncertainty that's out there. what is john boehner's to overcoming the uncertainty out there? dragging the nation to the point of defaulting on all of our debts, saying it's going to come down to the wire and nobody knows how it will turn out and maybe we'll let the whole global economy blow up again to make a point? so says the guy concerned about the risk of any uncertainty in the business climate. think progress said during the bush presidency, the current republican leaders inç congres voted 19 times to increase the
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debt ceiling by a total of $4 trillion. but now they have discovered a desire to take a stand on this issue. the kind way to understand this is as disgusting hypocrisy. the kind way to understand this is shameless, unprincipled partisan hackary. that's the nice way to see this. the less nice way to see this is republicans in congress actually do care about policy, and they not only care about policy, they believe what they say about policy. they believe a payroll tax deduction would probably be good for the economy, right? they say cutting business taxes is good. they stay they believe it. that a lot of -- they believe their own rhetoric, that a lot of uncertainty in the business environment could be fatal to the american economy. the worst possible thing you could think about what congressional republicans are doing right now in this game of chicken they're playing on the debt ceiling, the worst possible thing you can think about them
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with what they're doing, with the threats they're making to cause another global catastrophe if not another deep recession, the worst you could say about this is they believe what they say when they talk about policy. if they believe what they say about policy, if they're not just making it up fresh every day, then they know what they are doing will guarantee bad economic outcomes. huge risk to the entire american economy and maybe even the global one. why would anybody want that? maybe they think that is better for their chances of beating president obama in the next election. given the choice between thinking of them as that evil and thinking of them as just disgusting, i would rather think of them as just disgusting. joining us is chris hayes, washington editor of "the nation" magazine. do you want to go out for a beer later and talk me off this ledge? >> yes, although i thinkç i'm f on the ledge with you. i was sigts there thinking they
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do believe in this a little bit, and i think in some ways what we're seeing now is if you look at this in the long scope, they have starved the beast, they have cut taxes. now they've got everybody in the deficit debt panic, and now the welfare state is in their sights. they understand they're going to get one shot at it, and they also understand the only way to kill it is to get a democratic president to do it. bush could not gut social security. couldn't privatize social security. bill clinton could have. barack obama can. the only way to go after the big game they're hunting, which is medicaid and medicare, that's the social -- that's the fundamental part of social insurance is to get a democrat to do it. they have it in their sights right now. they're going to pull the trigger what they can. >> on the issue of the overall health of the economy right now, the prospect for a double-dip recession is not only real, it is looming. what we just went through with
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the great recession was so traumatic to this economy that we're looking at a decades long full recovery. it will restructure the way the american economy is forever. the fed and cbo say as of last week do not take any spending out of the economy prit now. if you want to cut spending in the long run, worry about that and have deficit talks. right now it's ftoo fragile to o that. >> let me give it a more cynical look than that, which is the one thing that refutes the deficit hysteria, that benefits the republicans in their mission to go after medicare and medicaid is the facts interest rates are aat a rift lick low.ç you look out there and everyone is lending money at historically low rates. what's the one thing that can screw that up? >> debt ceiling. >> the last time it happened, it went up 50 basis points for a
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few months. that's a significant chunk of change. we were call claitting it it, and it would be $50 billion a year. if you have that, you point and say the markets are panicked, the interest rates are up, we really have a debt and deficit problem. the absolute most cynical interpretation of this is they want some sort of crisis, because that produces in the markets exactly the uncertainty they've been claiming was there but has not man tested until now. >> you and i in the past few months talked about this in a dent active way. is it possible they're trying to tank things for political purposes? it's a steers charge to levy, and we're getting around the edges of it. now democrats in the senate say we have no explanation for what the republicans are doing, other than them wanting to sabotage things for political trends. if democrats in the mainstream in washington believe that, do not think that republicans have the best interests of the country at heart economically,
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how do you negotiate with them? >> i don't think the president believes that, clearly. i think the president has from the very beginning taken the negotiating stance that you believe fundamentally as the precondition to negotiation discussion in the good faith of your opposition. i don't think anything will disabuse him of that notion. it's a dispositirtional. it's who he is now. nothing will knock him off that. i think there are members of coalition that genuinely believe we're on the precipibu of some sort of debt crisis. >> that was early last year, the president making fun of the fact that the republicans abandon their own positions for partisan gain, abandoning positions they hold because it's what the country needs. the president is aware of that. he saw what they did on the individual mandate, on cap and trade and pay-go and the deficit commission. he has made fun of them for
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holding up the giant checks claiming credit for stimulus programs. he gets that. >> yes. here's my grand unified theory of president, okay? we're at a moment when our governing institutions are dysfunctional and broken. everyone seeing that. it's reflected in the polling numbers and across the board. the president was elected at this moment of this crisis, and his mission is to restore him. the way he restores them is it by willing them to work. if i enter in good faith, i will somehow manage to create trust and faith in these institutions that are manifestly broken. i happen to believe they cannot be repaired through good will and good faith and a lot of efforts. they need to be repaired structurally through rimeform. >> you should write a book about that. >> i'm trying to. >> chris hayes who will later by me a beer, and i insist on it t. i'm stressed out. do not worry that floodwaters
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uranium give off the intense heat that boils the water that generating steam that turning the turbines that make the electricity. that's the reason we build nuclear power plants although all in the first place. nuclear power is the world's most terrifying and consequence shall means of boiling water. the actual reactor is contained in a very strong containment vessel. it's a sealed steel inner container. that is inside an outer container, which is sort of more like a building, in case something goes wrong with the first line of defense, you can hopefully keep the radiationç inside or alternatively keep whatever is outside from coming in. this is the for the calhoun nuclear power plant in nebraska not quite 20 miles north of oma omaha, nebraska along the bank the banks of missouri river. do you to the law of gravity and a very wet spring, the missouri river is trying to get into fort calhoun. when we talked about it last week, it was fighting off this
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record flooding from the missouri river with the help of eight-fight inflatable walls called aqua dams. they're inflatable and filled with water, but over the weekend workers moving sand on the dry side they brushed up against one of them -- that's how they explained it to the local paper. they brushed up against an aqua dam with a heavy equipment they were usingi and they punctured the aqua dam and it collapsed. it hit the transformers where electricity feeds into the plant to power the cooling pumps that keep them humming along instead of melting down. so the reassuring news last week that the aqua dams held back the water, that the plant was still an island, that was true last week and changed on sunday around 1:00 in the morning local time. the word from officials from the nuclear power plant on the banks
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of the missouri river is still the same. don't worry. everything is fine. those aqua dams were not keep to the plant's safety. the plant was not required to have them. they were extra, which as it turns out was a good thing since the omaha world herald reports when water from the missouri river got past them after they were punctured, it got through the next level of defense, which was a cement barrier around the main electrical transformer.ç two feet of the missouri river broke through those defenses to the transformer building, so the fort calhoun plant disconnected from the power grid and they used backup diesel power to cool the plant while they pumped out the water and fixed the leaky barriers. the plant spokesman said disconnecting from the power grid, quote, gave us time to ascertain that all was fine. all was fine. all is fine. nobody freaking out here. this is not fort calhoun's first time to go off the grid. it's not even the first time this calendar month. on june 7th before the flooding
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a small fire in an electrical closet knocked out power to the cooling system that prevents the spent fuel rods from overheating and melting down. they stayed unplugged for an hour and a half. the regular pumps then came back on. this thing with nuclear power plants staying on the grid matters a lot. in japan this year they first had an earthquake that caused a tsunami, but it was when the tsunami knocked out electricity at the fukushima daiichi nuclear power plant that the world knew fukushima was really in trouble. without electricity, fukushima could not keep its spent nuclear -- could not keep it's reactors or its spent nuclear fuel cool. the japanese government says three reactors may have suffered not just meltdowns but melt throughs. melt through the internal superstrong containment vessel, and that is a real nuclear nightmare. what we are learning in nebraska
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is fort calhoun built in 1973 on the basis of a mistake. somebody miscalculated the pumping capacity they needed for a catastrophic flood. they discovered the errorç thr years ago and planned the old system of flood protection, the nuclear regulatory commission calculated that it had a chance of protectsing the reactor core from a catastrophic flood, which is almost good enough. the fort calhoun nuclear power plant is now two feet below the level of the missouri river where the plant is required to shut down. the river is at about 1,006 feet above sea level. if it's above 1,014 feet it would knock out the generators and come over the specific berm that protects the spent nuclear fuel. don't worry. they say these 88-ton kafks,
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these radioactive behee muts are anchored, so they won't float away. so at least there's that. for now everything is fine if occasionally wet at fort calhoun. with forecasts calling for a rainy system, fort calhoun and its aqua dams and berms need to hold out in the biggest test of a nuclear plant in the united states to the threat of flooding, and it needs to keep holding out against that threat for months. going to the bank without going to the bank... that's a step forward. with chase quickdeposit on your smartphone, you just snap a picture, hit send and done. chase quickdeposit. take a step forward and chase what matters. ♪ we just keep on keepin' on ♪ ♪ keep on
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in 2001 orrin hatch from utah introduced a high profile national attention kind of bill. he had 18 co-sponsors, 12 democrats and 6 republicans. it included brown back, krug grs lay and dick luger. it was called the dream act. you create a path to legal residen residency status for the most deserved people here illegally. it would apply to you if you were brought to the country as a kid between the ages of 12 and 35. if you've been here for five years. if you graduated from high school or got your ged. you have to have good moral character. then once you qualify, you have to apply for the dream act and enroll in a bachelor degree program or higher degree program or join the military. after being in college for the military for two years, only then can you apply for legal
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permanent residency. dfs it was a chance for kids brought to this country through no fault of their own to stay here without the constant fdqr of deportation. despite the fact it was their idea, the republicans once associated with this have now turned against it. that includes senator john mccain, who co-sponsored the bill whether it was reintroduced in 2003 and again in 2005 and again in 2007. here's where you get to scream, are you kidding me at your television. in 2007 the dream act was introduced twice. there was the one john mccain co-sponsored, and then there was the one john mccain high tailed it out of d.c. for so he didn't have to vote to. he told conservative bloggers if he was in d.c. then, he wouldn't have voted for it. >> i would have voted against the moving forward with the dream act because we haven't secured the borders yet. >> john mccain is not the only
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republican to abandon this thing he once championed, but as the republican presidential nominee it is senator mccain who embodies the bizarre 180 on this issue. the dream act will be a relic of the hyperpartisanship of the republican party over the last decade. as a matter of policy, this particular act has languished. it was introduced by bipartisan support, introduced as the consensus easy to pay small thing done on immigration, even if none of the hard stuff could get done. ten years later it has not passed, but it's getting its first hearing tomorrow in the senate. the obama administration has been more aggressive in enforcement of the immigration law than any other presidency in modern history. the obama administration now deporting people at an estimated rate of 1,000 a day. nell hit the 1 million
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deportation mark this summer. that's 25% than in theç year before president bush was in office. even though they criminalize violations, the white house says they want to change this law. they want the dream act still. in december during the lame duck session when democrats passed unemployment benefits and a food safety bill and health care and compensation for 9/11 first responders and a nuclear arms kroet treaty and the repeal of don't ask don't tell and the bush tax cuts for the welt wealthy, the president described not passing the dream act as a big disappointment. >> maybe my biggest disappointment was this dream act vote. at minimum we should be able to get dream act done. >> the person who is the reason why after all of that, the dream act might have another chance, that game changer of a person joins us next. ♪ hello sunshine, sweet as you can be ♪
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watch this clip here for a second. >> i was born in the philippines. i moved to the united states when i was 12. my mother wanted to give me a
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better life. so she sent me to live with my grandparents in silicon valley. i loved america the moment i got here. embraced the language, the culture the people. english was my second language, and i learned to speak american by watching frazier, home improvement, the golden girls. i won the spelling bee in eighth grade by spelliand in high scho fell in love with journalism. i worked with the local newspaper, and then i got hired at "the washington post." i covered the 2008 presidential campaign from traveling on hillary clinton's plane to pheasant hunting with huckabee. i've interviewed al gore for rolling stone and profiled mark zukerberg for the new yorker. at age 16 i rode my bike to the dmv to get my driver's permit.
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i brought my green card with me. the woman at the dmv flipped it around. she leaned over and she whispered, this is fake. don't come back here again. i went home and confronted my grandfather. that was the first time i realized that i'm an undocumented immigrant. what some people call an illegal.ç >> that is part of a clip that you can see at it's a website set up by pulitzer prize winning journalist. mr. vargas in a long beautifully written article for "the new york times" magazine has come out about growing up in america and being educated in america and living in america and working in america and paying taxes in america and succeeding in america all while it is
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illegal for him to be here because of the circumstances under which he arrived as a rather adorable 12-year-old kid. jose antonio vargas joins us now in the studio for an interview. thanks for being here. >> thanks for having me. i appreciate it. >> my spelling bee word was absurdity. i feel like i'm a lifetime of that, and i feel you're a lifetime of incafatible. >> i couldn't quite get the f sound right. >> in the clip we just showed there, you described figuring out at age 16 ear living in the u.s. illegally. your grandfather afshged your travel from the philippines with false papers. how did you feel at age 16 when you figured it out? >> i think the first kind of emotion was, this woman must be lying. the woman at the dmv.
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how could she tell me that? i rode my bike home and confronted my grandfather. i think that was the first time i became a reporter, because i was trying to like investigate like how could this have happened? you know, my grandfather was just trying to do what he thought was best, and he didn't imagine -- again, i mean, the plan was basically, you know, get an under the table job, work at the flea market or the best buy or bus çtables, and then marry a woman and get a green card. that was the plan. of course in high school i found it out. i remember probably the worst conversation we had was when i told him i'm not going to live another lie. i'm not going to -- not only am i going to be undocumented, i'm going to naer a woman to get a green card? i wasn't going to do that.
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the hardest thing about all of this is how duho you smz honest life with the lie? >> you did before this year. there were some people you let know essentially as a means to get help. how did you decide who to trust with that information? >> that's a really good question. you know, i have been the beneficiary of kind, generous americans, american citizens. i've been referring to them as my underground, my personal 21st century underground railroads, with all due respect to african-american history. i don't know what they saw in me when i was younger. when i told mrs. denny. the choir teacher said she planned a trip to japan, and i told her i couldn't go. she's like, okay. she thought maybe i couldn't afford it. i told her i didn't have the
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right kind of passport. when i told her, her eyes bugged out. she said we're going to hawaii instead. recently i actually talked to her about three months ago. why did you do that? she said because we don't want to hide -- didn't want to leave any of my students behind. i think now back to the reason. how many other -- thank you, by the way, for that great segment by the history of the dream act. in the past ten years this coming august, how many students across this country, right, who could be çtax-paying, contributing citizens, who can be the engineers or the accountants or writers or whatever, which is not to say that only successful, you know, people deserve it . at the end of the day people want to live their lives and survive. in many ways that's what i've done until this year when i decided i can't do this. i think it's important to remember it's not as if anybody was trying to out me.
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i wanted to come forward, because i think the best way to solve a problem is tell the truth about it. at the end of the day, again back to your clip, we have not had a credible conversation about immigration in this country. not just about the dream act. about immigration in this country, which is ironic given we're living in a country that was founded and replenished by i immigrants. this is what this is about. >> you're as close an observer having covered presidential campaigns in real time and up close, do you feel we're capable of having that conversation as a country anytime soon? >> i think americans -- not just undocumented americans but americans, i think they're going to demand it. we have come right now -- if you look what's happening with the tea party movement, if you look at what's happening with the grassroots campaign that catapulted obama to presidency, i know that because i was in iowa and new hampshire. i covered that. they're going to demand it and they need it.
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we're in a moment in which we're trying to define what it means to be an american. the very question of american identity is in question. this is what the whole obama is not from here, all of that. that's what this is about, which is why i'm so glad define american is a fitting title for the campaign. to have that kind of discussion. >> you can find out more about the campaign and more about his story. it's also sort of a portal to a wider and more audience, which is a real contribution in addition to you telling your story. thank you. you're a brave guy. >> thank you for having me. appreciate it. >> stay in touch. >> sure. >> he's a former writer for "the washington post" and a pulitzer prize winner and a brave guy. coming up is "the he had shed show" hosted by the reverend al
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doed. told today congresswoman michele bachmann announced her candidacy. she's the first major tee male of either party. she would bed first person since james far gooeld in 1880 to be elected president directly from the house of representatives. still, though, even though things look good for michele bachma bachmann's chances in iowa, she's polling alongside mitt romney there, despite nor bachmann mania than you might expect, despite all of those things it's probably wise not to get too far ahead of ourselves. you may recall that on her first trip to new hampshire this year, she congratulated new hampshire of being the home of lexington and concord, massachusetts. that was weird. that wasn't nearly as weird as what she said today on her first
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interview with the fox news channel after declaring their candidacy. >> just like john wayne was from that's the kind of spirit i have, too. >> john wayne, the movie actor was not born in waterloo, iowa. he was born a few hours away called winterset. the john wayne from waterloo, iowa is actually john wayne gacy, the serial killer. >> what i want them to know is just like john wayne was from waterloo, iowa, that's the kind of spirit that i have, too. >> the killer, not the -- i realize that michele bachmann's candidacy is very exciting for a number of reasons that i don't understand, but still, word to the wise, let's not get ahead of ourselves in the whole electability issue. do woodchucks chuck wood? (high-pitched laughter)
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it's in god's hands, and you know, my hands are shaky, my knees are weak, i can't seem to stand on my own two feet. i'm praying and certainly hope for the best. >> playing exactly to expectation. former illinois governor rod blagojevich quoted elvis presley on his way to court this afternoon. also playing close to widely held examinations a jury of the governor's peers found blagojevich guilty on the vast majority of criminal charges he was facing today. on trying to sell obama's senate seat after he was elected president, he was guilty. on trying to extort campaign
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donations outs of a children's house of representatives? guilty. on getting cash in return for signing a bill? guilty. >> i think it often happens people take criminal conduct and try to mush it into politics. there is legitimate politics. there are gray areas. selling a senate seat, and shaking down a children's up hospital and squeezing a person to give money before you sign a bill is not a gray area. it's a crime. >> after the hearing a less flamboyant blagojevich spoke with the media. >> among the many lessons i've learned from this whole ser experience is to speak a little less, so i'll keep my remarks short. patti and i are very disappointed in the outcome. i'm stunned. there's not much left to say other than we want to get home to our little girls and talk to them and try to sort things out. i'm sure we'll see you guys
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again. >> rod blagojevich wasç acquitd on one charge of bribery. the jury deadlocked on two attempted extortion charges. they found him guilty on seven other counts. the most serious of those charges has a 20-year prison term. and he was facing up to five years in prison already for his previous conviction of lying to the fbi. that conviction was from his first trial last august. that jury deadlocked on the other counts. part of mr. blagojevich's successful defense during that first trial was pleading ignorance essentially. he suggested he didn't know what he was doing was illegal because none of his lawyers or advisers doeld him. so it was because of that defense that an enter sfru from this tv show was requested as evidence for the prosecution during the new trial. they wanted to use the interview from this show from january 27th, 2009, when then indicted but still governor blagojevich told me this. >> do you agree that it would be
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wrong, it would be criminal for you to try to exchange barack obama's u.s. senate seat, that appointment for something that would be of value to you? you agree that would be wrong? >> absolutely. one for the other, personal gain, absolutely. >> you didn't do that? >> absolutely not. >> the prosecution wanted to use that interview to show that governor blagojevich, did despite what his lawyer argued during the last trial, that he did know that quid pro quo was wrong and illegal. it turns out they never used that exchange after they requested it. in the second trial the prosecutor used another part of governor blagojevich's interview on this show, the part where i asked the governor about allegations he asked his chief of staff to tell "the chicago tribune" owner if they wanted help to finance the sale of wrigley field that the trib owner has to fire all these bleeping people and get us editorial support. the governor denied he said that, and i asked this follow-up.
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>> no, there was never any ç discussion. >> john harris never told them to lay off on your behalf. >> never directed. i shouldn't get into this. there's a supreme court rule that says you noont talk about the specifics of the cases. >> the prosecution read that out in court during the cross-examination of mr. blagojevich. he denied he had been lying to me about pressuring the tribune. he said that when i asked did you tell them to lay off, he didn't think i meant did you tell him to lay off and ease up on you. what i thought i meant was did you tell them to lay people off, fire people? according to the u.s. attorney's office that part of interview ended up in the trial not because of any particular charge at stake there because they felt it was germaine to his general truthfulness and demeanor. he's out on bond and back home. if he ends up doing jail time, rod blagojevich will live up to one other sort of expectation.
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best new thing in the world today is in the realm of comedy/commentary. associat associated press reported last week that among osama bin laden's letters was a letter lamenting that al qaeda's brand wasn't that good anymore. he wanted them to be called al qaeda ah-jihad. they kept just calling it al qaeda. mr. bin laden believed it wasn't muslim-sounding enough to be his group. so he suggested new names for al qaeda. maybe it should be called this,
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which i will not try to pronounce. maybe it should be called this, which means restoration of the chalifit group. if i'm afraid to pronounce them, they're not catchy in an international context. to help them out to make fun of them, the dangerous room blog has been holding on online contest to choose a new name for al qaeda. among the best ideas in a fake rebraunds campaign in pourt point, first, hello kaida.ç also yes we quran! how about the bad news beards? 72 strvirgin airways. the artist formerly known as al qaeda. this one is for you, mom. angry beards. "weird al"